With war in Ukraine dominating discussion at the NATO foreign ministers meeting this week, Global Insider sat down with Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba at POLITICO’s office in Brussels. ON THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN: Kuleba was in town to attend a meeting of the NATO-Ukraine commission — a body that governs relations between NATO and Ukraine (a non-member) — at the alliance’s headquarters Tuesday. MAKING HIS CASE: But for Kuleba it’s high time that Ukraine was given the green light to join. “This old concept of why Ukraine should not be given membership is outdated. It doesn’t meet the reality check,” he said, highlighting that the Bucharest Summit in 2008 first recognized NATO’s open-door policy. “The truth is that we are not getting any closer to that open door,” he said. THE FINLAND ARGUMENT: He pointed to the case of Finland. “I'm happy for my friends from Finland who are becoming NATO members and who share more than 1000 kilometers of border with Russia. So NATO is not afraid of having a joint border in the north, but somehow is afraid of having a joint border in the south?” he said, referring to the argument that Ukraine’s proximity to Russia would bring the alliance right up to Russia’s borders (and what Moscow sees as its sphere of influence). WHAT HE WANTS FROM THE WEST AS KYIV PREPARES FOR A COUNTEROFFENSIVE: “We need to speed up deliveries of everything that has already been pledged since literally last December. That is happening, and a big part of my conversations here in Brussels will be about speeding up some very specific deliveries like car vehicles, artillery, ammunition and tanks in particular. “The second part of the preparation is actually to get new pledges, to ensure sustainability of supplies — because this war, it’s not a sprint, it's a marathon. And while, for example, you may have 100 shells in your stock, and you know that you can count on them for the counteroffensive, you need to know how many shells you will have in stock in two or three months.” THE QUESTION OF WAR FATIGUE: As the war settles into its second year, Ukraine is striking a tricky balance as it deals with its allies — on the one hand, arguing that the war is far from over as a reason why it needs more weapons; on the other hand conscious that talk of an endless war may scare them away, particularly in the United States, where the front-runners for the Republican nomination for president — Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis — have already questioned continuing support for Ukraine. Kuleba was blunt: “If someone in Europe or beyond Europe gets tired of the war, they will welcome the war on their doorstep. It's very simple. It doesn't matter how high the price of supporting Ukraine is, which is not as high as the critics are actually claiming to be — the price of fighting the war yourself will be much higher.” No troops on the ground: While careful to express gratitude for Western help, Kuleba pointed out that Ukraine has not actually asked for foreign boots on the ground, unlike in other foreign conflicts where the U.S. and allies have sent troops. “We are not asking foreign boots on the ground. We are one of the very few nations in the world who have not asked foreign troops to be deployed to our land.” ON CHINA: As focus in Europe and the United States in recent weeks has turned to China’s possible role in the war (and peace), Kuleba said he believes that China has not made what he calls its “final stance on the war.” As the war evolves “it will prompt China to lean towards one side or another,” he said. “Of course, their official policy will be to stay above the fight, but life will dictate circumstances. I don't have a feeling that they have made their choice.” On Xi’s proposed peace plan he is clear, however: There is no question of any proposal that allows for Russian rule over any Ukrainian territory — and yes, that includes Crimea. “I said it to my Chinese counterpart, the foreign minister in particular, that there is one thing that really is the common foundation for your foreign policy and our foreign policy is the principle of territorial integrity. So anything you can do to restore peace that will respect the territorial integrity of Ukraine within its internationally recognized borders, is welcome. Every peace concept that is based on a different principle will be rejected.”
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