‘AMERICAN RETREAT’ — With just two words, the tension between traditionally hawkish Republican foreign policy and the views of the increasingly populist and non-interventionist, Trump-era GOP burst into the open this week. By describing the war in Ukraine as a mere “territorial dispute” — and thus not a vital interest to the United States — Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis abruptly reminded the Republican Party that there may not be as much distance between its two presidential front-runners as many thought. The alignment with former President Donald Trump’s views on Ukraine has resulted in some of the first real blowback DeSantis has experienced on the right since his meteoric rise. A Wall Street Journal editorial panned the governor’s position, calling it a “puzzling surrender to the Trumpian temptation of American retreat.’’ It’s not nearly enough to damage his 2024 prospects — it might actually burnish them in some quarters of the party. There’s polling that suggests DeSantis’ position might actually be ahead of the party curve. But at the moment — in Washington, at least — his reluctance to become “further entangled” or to provide more funding to Kyiv in the aftermath of the Russian invasion has generated more intra-party criticism that DeSantis is accustomed to. Nightly spoke to Burgess Everett, POLITICO’s congressional bureau chief, to get a clearer sense of how DeSantis’ views on Ukraine are playing with congressional Republicans. If you read between the lines, there seems to be some robust pushback to DeSantis’ Ukraine position from several senators, including Senate heavyweights like Mitt Romney and John Cornyn. Cornyn, as you know, said he prefers a candidate who won’t “kowtow to the isolationist wing of the Republican Party.” How would you characterize the level of support for supplying lethal aid to Ukraine within the Senate GOP Conference? It’s roughly a 75/25 split within the Senate GOP, but there is some nuance there. Some people want Europe to pay more, or want strict accountability about where the money goes, but within the conference the DeSantis/Trump position is not popular. Now, will it be a deal-breaker when it comes to supporting the eventual GOP nominee? I have my doubts. What does the Senate GOP’s isolationist or non-interventionist wing look like? Who are the leading voices? They definitely prefer the latter moniker over the former. Sens. Mike Lee (R-Utah) and Rand Paul (R-Ky.) are kind of the OGs on the issue, but there’s some newer voices taking the same approach, namely Sens. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) and J.D. Vance (R-Ohio). There’s also folks like Sens. Tommy Tuberville (R-Ala.) and Mike Braun (R-Ind.), who object more to the amount of money being spent versus the policy of aiding Ukraine. How does Senate GOP support for arming Ukraine compare to the House? Are the two chambers largely aligned in their views or not? Generally speaking, the House Republicans are more conservative and more supportive of Trump. We are starting to see some warmth to DeSantis, like Rep. Chip Roy’s (R-Texas) pre-endorsement, which gives you a sense of where things are going in the House GOP. But if you put up a Ukraine aid bill later this year for a vote in the House, it would pass. Would it get 75 percent of the House GOP? Maybe not. But the standalone May vote passed 368-57. What is the prevailing view of DeSantis among Republican senators? Certainly some skepticism. And folks are all waiting to see what Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.) does before making a move; there’s going to be some loyalty there that could freeze people from endorsing Trump, DeSantis or anyone else. Sen. Cynthia Lummis (R-Wyo.) is rooting for DeSantis to get in, so people definitely want to have a choice between candidates. Few Senate Republicans want to coronate Trump again; at a minimum they want a contested primary. But House members know DeSantis better than the senators. Have many Republican senators endorsed so far in the 2024 primary? Do you expect them to? What kinds of political considerations will drive their decisions? Trump has five Senate endorsements. There are also some senators that are unlikely to endorse him even if he wins the nomination. But there’s not really a strong movement to defeat Trump brewing right now in the Senate. I spoke to Lummis yesterday and she’s going to wait to see what Scott does before doing anything on behalf of DeSantis. I do think Trump is relying on folks he’s helped in the past few cycles to form his base. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) is the only multi-term senator backing Trump. Welcome to POLITICO Nightly. Reach out with news, tips and ideas at nightly@politico.com. Or contact tonight’s author at cmahtesian@politico.com or on Twitter at @PoliticoCharlie.
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