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First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Martin Niemöller
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A despicable man
Merck Mercuriadis
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Go cry about it
Sean Schilawski
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Stereotypes are rooted in reality.
Sorry bro.
Richard Carlson
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Dear Bob,
Stereotypes always consist of some truth, otherwise they wouldn't be a thing. Pretending they don't exist is ridiculous.
Certain races or cultures have more of a tendency to act in different ways in every day life. Certain lifestyles correlate to different groups. This is arguable, & always evolves over time. There are good, bad, & terrible historical reasons why these tendencies may exist today.
Words are not violence. They can be used for calls to violence for sure, & this type of speech is not & should not be protected in any circumstance. Uncomfortable words may cause stress & trigger offense, but they are not violence.
To de-platform, or ban, certain stressful speech harms the overall discourse & society as a whole.
I'm glad I found your newsletter & find it very interesting.
Take care,
Joe Lazzaro
Central NY
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I grew up in Manhattan in the 80 & 90's and I can tell you, from experience, jews love money and are cheap. It's a fact. Same as they are GREAT friends, loyal as f..k and super driven / hard working.
Please omit my name if you print
(I normally don't print e-mails without names and I thought about putting this guy's name down anyway, but... This is important, because anti-Semitism frequently hides, yet today it's more prominent and out in the open than it has been in decades... What did the Charlottesville protesters say...JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US!)
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Sadly it has always been thus but today there are ways of getting anti- Semitic messages out into the world which have never previously existed. Spotify is one such example.
As a boomer child of the 50's there were many anti-Semitic moments but we just kept our heads down and pretended they didn't exist.
My 10 year old self finding someone had scrawled the word WEJ in bold black lettering on my homework files was not unusual.
No-one knew (not even my parents) and the feeling was "keep your down". Which we did…
Not today though. Public and influential messaging vehicles like the Rogan podcasts have to be called out.
I'm with you.
David Ravden
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Bob, it's kind of hard for me to get rid of Spotify since you made me a believer and got me hooked about ten years ago now. Uugh.
Jim DAndrea
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You are severely out of touch and the bviouy do not listen.
Mike Chav
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Sorry Bob, you're way wrong. Every person that criticizes Rogan obviously never has listened to an entire show, not even once. I'm not crazy about everything he says, but he's a comedian. Have you ever listened to a whole show? Find one where you like the guest, listen start to finish, and you might learn that he's just a curious goofball who is genuinely interested in people from all walks of life. It's so tiresome that one clip of him making a tasteless joke gets thrown around the bought and sold media again, acting like he said it with bad intent or harm. Are we going to go after every single comedian that makes jokes about stereotypes? Can't we make goddamn fun of anything or anyone any more?
Because I happen to listen to Joe Rogan, I'm inane and insane, wow, talk about a stereotype. 'Joe Rogan listeners are wrong.' No, I'm not wrong, Bob. And by the way, Rogan CAN NOT BE CANCELLED. Take him off Spotify and he'll just be independent again. Spotify needs him more than he needs them. And it drives media people crazy that he's so popular.
I promise you that anyone who hates Jews will not be emboldened by Joe Rogan making a joke. They were f..ked up to begin with. I hate Trump and the MAGAts more than words can express, but I pretty much hate the far left as much these days. If he was as terrible as you think, he wouldn't have MILLIONS of listeners every day. I'm just sick to death of everyone trying to take away free speech in this country.
And I'm sure glad you don't hear some of the other comedians I'm into… what they say may not be heard as much as Rogan, but it's way worse, and f..king hilarious. Cancel cancel cancel. I'm such a bad guy. I'm tired of this sh.t.
Dave Warner
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Joe Rogan graduated from high school in Newton, MA. The town is at least a 1/4 Jewish so he knows better. He also continues to get well known mainstream guests, some of whom are Jewish, and yet they say nothing.
Steve Hutter
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You're spot on.
Joe Rogan argued the moon landing was a fake government staged conspiracy for years before finally coming around. That's the level of person you're dealing with here.
Peter Rinker
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Yo Bob, I turned my kid onto Rogan when I started taking the lad out of grade school to go morel picking.
I also had turned him on to Rogan interviewing Paul Stamets .
My kid knows what's what,
The boy is 21 years old now and he knows who and what an idiot is.
Did the faith!
Andrew Parr
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Joe Rogan in inexcusably stupid.
Val Garay
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Oh the irony! I honestly thought you had a financial stake in Spotify, with the amount of posts that talk them up! Cancel your Spotify membership, and encourage others to do the same. That's the only way they'll get rid of him.
Jonathan Peirce
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Total clown show.
Never thought about Spotify, will never give them a 2nd thought.
Will Eggleston
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F..k Joe Rogan
Bob Kalill
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Thank you. Amen.
Xeni Jardin
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What do you mean Joe Rogan "does not have a right to say it on Spotify?" Of course he does; He has a contract with Spotify that gives him that right.
You say that the corporate brass should exercise some restraint and stop Rogan from tarnishing their image. That seems like a double standard to me. Don't you think the violence, hate and sexism by artists like Dr. Dre and Snoop on The Chronic and its imitators is more menacing, yet it was rewarded all up and down the spectrum, including even by the Library of Congress.
You ask the rhetorical question about real artists speaking the truth to power. It's not speaking truth to power unless the power feels threatened, like you do. The "power" wasn't threatened by Dr. Dre and Snoop."
Most artists start outside the mainstream of allowable opinion, and the establishment disdains them for a while, until they eventually catch on. However, when Rogan speaks truth to power, he should be censored. That goes against everything I have always read in your great opinion pieces.
Normally love your stuff, but I'm on the other side on this one.
Gregory A. Hession J.D.
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I am a liberal democrat. I have been laid up with an achilles injury for a while so I have watched many joe rogan videos on youtube this month (before this outrage he commited). I read your article and then went and watched what I believe is the short comment he made about the jewish people liking money like italians like pizza. Is there more to this story I am missing? Do I believe you wrote this entire email based on that??? In all of the interviews/shows I have watched of his I have not found anything that really rubbed me the wrong way. Sure, maybe I disagreed with some point or idea he had. But I have been around all kinds of people that constantly say far worse things on a daily basis. And you call for his cancellation!? I am just a regular guy that is in the middle of the road and I believe you may have lost your mind. This is part of our problems. Everyone is beyond sensitive and depending on what group gets worked up enough to begin a "movement" and news cycle going for the daily outrage. Yes, there ARE many issues that deserve the attention and outrage. Now, I am certainly aware of the unspeakable acts that have been done to jewish people and also continue to be done...but joe rogan isn't doing them, i'm sure he has zero desire to injure any with words or acts, and i don't think he deserves one second of this. Again, if i missed some part of what he said i apologize and please educate me further! But if the "they like money" is your breaking point...i won't be able to ever read your emails again and unsubscribe you, as this stance is unacceptable and childish. Stick with the music sir.
John Frye
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Bob. Just what we need
An anti-semetic know-it-all spreading this poison.
We need to be f..king caricatured? F..k him.
Fred Mollin
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You'll be dead and forgotten to Bob. So weak. So confused at the end you seem.
Julien Jorgensen
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Bob, I agree with you 100%. And ask: why do you still use Spotify for your playlists? I cut ties with them 100% the same time Neil and Joni did. My support is a drop in the bucket and I do not want my drop to be any part of either Joe nor Spotify. You are worth at least 10,000 drops ;-p jt
Jason Taylor
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Wow. If you weren't such a great writer about music it'd be hard not to unsubscribe right now. Rogan is as close as the world has to a totally neutral mainstream media outlet. He has guests of all political persuasions on.He speaks the truth as he sees it. Sometimes he's wrong and he apologises.
'Censor everyone who disagrees with the mainstream narrative or occasionally misspeaks. Control who gets a voice on Twitter. Never question authority.'
This is the side you're on. You have become The Man. You're on the opposite side to rock 'n' roll.
John Paterson
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I couldn't agree more.
And like you said, it's not just open season on Jews but everyone who isn't a straight white male. Jews, Blacks, Muslims, Asians, Women, Liberals, LGBTQ……
Giving Rogan a megaphone is no different than screaming fire in a crowded theater. It's a recipe for disaster.
Americans have always been prone to bad, unsympathetic, me first, narcissistic behavior. It's a country club mindset: I'm in so lock the gates. Don't let Jews, Blacks, Women, Asians join the club, live in our neighborhood or integrate our schools.
The pendulum swings back and forth; the hateful bear hibernates but sooner or later, the dam breaks and out spews the same old ugly truth. Some think they are better than others; their rights trump other's rights and their greedy, self righteous ends justify their vicious, dehumanizing, hateful means.
Watching Marjorie Green during the State of the Union Address was unacceptable, bad behavior exemplified. You didn't need the sound to hear the hate and know that her accusations said more about her than the speaker. She wants to be our next VP, one step away from the most powerful position in the world. What could be more Frightening!
Bob Edwards
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You are so correct on this one. I quit Spotify and went with Tidal after the original blow-up and couldn't be happier. Always go with the artists, they actually know something.
Will Baty
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Some people like Rogan some dont. Doesnt mean he should be de-platformed. I'm sure there are plenty people who Bob Lefsetz Agrees with, whom i Disagree with. Doesnt mean that person should be de-platformed. Clearly theres a very great crowd of people who enjoy his podcast and agree with him. Are they all ignorant? Or do they just have a different opinion?
He shouldn't be de-platformed. All opinions should be welcomed and ppl show buy into whatever opinion they decide to buy into. The people who dont like him, should stop crying and also stop watching him. The idea that Joe Rogan's advice has killed people, with no evidence to back up such a statement is CERTAINLY ignorant, beyond the shadow of a doubt. Along with the idea that because you disagree with or dislike someone's opinions, that person should be silenced, and the people who agree with your ideals should Stay.
Justin Brown
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F..k Joe Rogan.
Chris Nilsson
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Agreed!!! Kudos to you for speaking up!
Nathan
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cancel your subscription. money (probably) talks. especially if enough people do that...
rsands9
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Thumbs-up!
Bob Pfeifer
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You are so annoying. Can you not see clearly at all anymore? I think democrats call this a "nothing burger".
Of course Rogan won't get cancelled because to do so would be the height of petty stupidity. You need to relax, take some time off. Your life is no different since Rogan said his comments. If anything he's made you happy because you can get all excited about pointing your finger and trying to cancel someone that gets up your nose.
For a start, what is wrong with liking money? I like money too. It's pretty good you should spend some, it's fun. Where is the offence? It's only offensive to you because you outsourced your thinking a while ago to people with an obvious agenda. I am a different race to you and during the course of my life some have had a little fun with that. Because it's funny. And laughter is quite good, kind of like money.
You could learn a lot from Rogans popularity but you won't because they have told you he's bad news and you're on team democrat where liking Rogans is against the rules. F..k the rules. In truth you are hoping for the glorious dopamine hit that comes with cancelling an enemy. That's all, nothing more. I am way more offended by your lack of authenticity than you will ever truly be about Rogan. And what should I do, have a tantrum and get you cancelled? No because I'm not made of paper, I can handle it. It's just disappointing because I've subscribed to you for a decade.
Neil Young was right? How exactly? No, please point out this medical information Rogan was supposedly pushing, please. Did the vaccine work? No, everyone got Covid. Has it hurt lots of people? Did young people need it? Come on now, put down your weapons and just be honest. It's what made Rogan a titan among content providers: Honesty.
Seriously Bob, lighten up. Not every little sentence is an opportunity to lose your marbles. Everyone who's ever met Rogan knows he's not actually racist, and although that probably disappoints you, it's what actually matters.
Reece Gilmore
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Thumbs up! 100%
Alex Skolnick
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What is wrong with being into money? And who is attacking Jews these days?
Todd Fernandez
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As someone with the last name Feldman… I have to say, "SERIOUSLY??" Spotify won't do anything?EVERYONE is into money, Bob! (As you said). Maybe some artists just need to start taking their stuff off Spotify —or perhaps we consumers need to unsubscribe. Something has to happen though, because this is some bullsh.t.
Regards,
Mark Feldman
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F..k Joe Rogan. F..k Spotify.
Mike Donahue
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So ready for the era of dumbasses with no expertise in any of the stuff they talk about to be gone.
Turns out, maybe we do actually need to listen to people that have expertise in an area, even if they don't get high with Elon live on air.
Nick Lawson
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Thanks Bob. Rogen is unfortunately yet another example of the degradation and expectation of the audience. Nice to hear a voice of reason in what seems to be end times. "In the bed where we both lie."
Thanks for being one pure note.
Don Mann
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As a person who listens pretty often to JRE I'm always a little thrown off when I read such negative things about it. You've mentioned Rogan before and I had the same impression that I had this time, you must not listen to the show. I'm never a fan of anyone inciting hatred towards anyone, and as a listener I can tell you that that is the general message you would get from the show if you did listen. You're not wrong when you say that he said those words but what it ignores is that out of the thousands of hours of his show that have been aired, people have pulled a sentence here and a sentence there of something that you say is offensive. Even your good pal Howard used to mention in the past that he would hear himself back afterwards and realize he did t say the right thing or maybe even a very wrong thing.
If the backlash was sufficient then I'm guessing Spotify would have to respond. But the fact that it's remaining silent on the matter gives me the impression that most people that listen to JRE feel it's as harmless as I do.
Dan Peligro
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Well said.
Jeff Shattuck
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if only the majors had balls. If only artists cared about more than money. Either of these could stop this. Otherwise, it's down to the subscribers, but sadly Spotify is the place.
Peter Burnside
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You are so right. I see my son and other young men who listen to Rogan and they get caught up in his anti-vax, macho, b.s. then he throws in some antisemitic stuff for good measure.
He has a massive audience and it is really scary the influence he has.
Joe Fletcher
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Bob your absolutely right about Rogan!!
Doug Gillis
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I strongly agree with you. I hope Rogan goes away. Trump too. But another puppet always steps up in their place. At least right now we can see the opponent clearly.
As for the Jewish people. I have always strongly believed that as a people the Jewish community values connection, education and tradition. As a result there is great success for those in this community who would desire it.
Keep up the information battle!
-Candice Day
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Lefsetz have you even listened to his Podcasts?
You are clutching at very small straws here. Please produce some facts on Rogan's claims. The actual claims themselves. Here's an idea, go on his Podcast! If he'll have you that is.
You're probably jealous because you don't have his following and his ability to entertain ideas. And, speak the truth.
Something makes me think you're either on someone's payroll, not a genuine author, or actually just unable to see the wood for the trees.
T Wealey
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Bob - you've got it wrong here - yes what he said was in poor taste but Rogan is not an enemy of you, or the left, or decency, etc. Please don't join the ever increasing loud-left who is overly sensitive and victimized about everything. If you've listened to any of Rogan's podcasts over the last few years, in good faith, you will see he's a left leaning, kind, and bery accepting dude — albeit not the sharpest tool but not a dummy either. Does he talk about hot button issues or say dumb things sometimes during his often 3 hour chats? Yes. So what.
Peter Verdell
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Nailed it
Toby Mamis
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Your obsession with cancelling Rogan is completely misguided… Period.
Funktion808
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everyone loves Pizza too
Kevin Connors
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I dont know if it's your age or what's going on but I find myself nearly unable to read this letter anymore. I mean how many years has it been? You've gone from an insightful (even when we disagree) wealth of fantastic antic-dotes and ideas peppered with a fire hot opinion …to a grumpy old curmudgeon fraught with woke nonsense that pushes many folks who may otherwise lean your way…the other direction. This is completely ridiculous. I think this is where you lost me.
Lee Miles
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Bob, come on! Joe is a COMEDIAN. His podcast is a COMEDY podcast. It's never purported to be anything else. He says dumb funny things and his guests are invited to do the same. He's also broad strokes Italians — shall we go nuts about that too? When did we get so thin skinned?
The relationship of the Jewish culture to money is its heritage. Of course it's not TRUE, but it shares a connection. Stereotypes aren't right/true but they often float near a truth that can spark discussion when properly approached. Given Rogan's reach he should just have a Jewish expert on now (we know he has freinds that are Jewish and I would say that's not enough) — it would do wonders to expand the conversation versus shut it down if he actually addressed what your pointing out. Shine line on ignorance, don't box it up!
Last I'll say I get it though. I find Rogan's blind spots can be infuriating… (anything about culture/race or science for example!!!) especially when they go on for 3 hrs. He's just a guy though and his heart and spirit is in the right place. Things like this can become a win if we are curious and push for expansion, inclusion and truth instead of pulling out the pitchforks!
I still have hope!
Dason Johnson
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Right on… and… right on!
Brad Merritt
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Thank you Bob for using the greatest word I ve learned in the music business and basically applicable in life
Wanker is perfect and I would probably use it to describe Cruella (sp) Griffin in her puffy white dress at SOTU. And Rogan and his vibe applies also. Well said
Chris Apostle
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Cry more, Bob. Cry more.
Rick Jones
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Can't wait to read the mailbag with Rogan's followers on this one.
Remember when it was cute that Joe's character on NewsRadio was a whack job conspiracy theorist and we all thought he was acting?
Oh yeah and you are completely right on again.
~Bobbo
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I grew up (as did you) with the saying "sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me". Sure, people often say dumb things that are not completely accurate, and are offensive, but we developed some thick skin and didn't let it bother us.
2 points:
Today, it seems like skin depth in many of the english-speaking western cultures, is at all time thinness. So easily offended and fragile over relatively minor issues (IMHO).
Every one of us, even you and I, make statements that are factually inaccurate and could be considered offensive to others. Joe Rogan is guilty of this, as are many of the cutting edge comedians today. BFD.
You make some similar statements when you write about republicans/conservatives. I respect your right to make these statements, even if I disagree and may personally find them bothersome or offensive. I would never seek to de-platform you or see you suffer commercially for expressing your opinions.
Too many folks live in glass houses these days, and they love to throw rocks.......
Respectfully,
John Murray
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Hey Bob,
So by your logic should I, as an Italian American, be offended by Joe's statement too? How dare he assume I'm "into pizza" because of the country my family is from!
Do you not think Italians have been sh.t on, stomped on, and stereotyped?
I can say I'm certainly NOT offended because they're just words.
Furthermore, pretty much everything Joe's said about the danders of the vaccine and the efficacy of ivermectin are true!
At the end of the day, everyone in in America needs to "man" the f..k up! If words from a podcaster hurt someones "feelings" then that person needs to work on themselves.
F..k feelings, they're not FACTS!
PS
Everyone loves money and everyone loves pizza! ??????????
James Lucente
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Every time the Spotify ad comes on asking me to return to premium, I say out loud to the device, "not while you're paying that asshole Joe Rogan!" And I will never buy a product or service advertised on Spotify for the same reason. I can stand the commercials more than I can stand that jerk. I'll just keep listening for free, thanks.
Tina Withrow
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Joe Rogan grew up in Newton, Massachusetts. How ironic.
Helaine Krysik
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I'm not a Rogan fan but I'm not sure this comment or situation is worthy of outrage. In listening, I think he was just responding to the Benjamin's comment and said something stupid …but not terribly offensive. This wasn't some Mel Gibson moment.
Mark Burrell
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Sadly, it's always a case of "Follow the Money."
Rogan makes too much money for his sponsor and distributor. They know if they let him go, someone will pick him up quicker than you can spell his first name.
Mike McCann
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Just a reminder that both Joni and Neil are Canadians,
Bob Stevens, Toronto
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I'm so with you on this!!
Mike McCready
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so weird that more artists didn't take a stand and follow neil and joni's lead. it got spun as a marketing gimmick in an "ok boomer" way. i cancelled and haven't gone back. what a lost opportunity to claw back some leverage.
jon ouzts
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Thank you.
Buskr
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I can only think that Rep, Omar probably does not really want Joe Rogan's "help" on this issue. And while I think is possible to criticise the policies of the Israeli government without being anti-semitic, I'm amazed at how frequently folks find this hard to do. Interestingly, I was talking with a friend of mine who also grew up in the small town south. We were both raised christian but not the Southern Baptist kind so we did not fit in. The two religious categories were Baptist and other. So as a Presbyterian and a Catholic we often found ourselves at the table with the Jews. and it has shaped our perspective for the better. I agree with you that much of anti semitism comes from ignorance. Unfortunately, I think we are more silo'ed than ever and those opportunities to just know folks as folks are harder to find. It's a stark reminder at how easily evil finds a way in if we do not constantly push back. I'll keep pushing.
Kevin Murphy
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Freedom of speech is a powerful thing. Who would have thunk the boomer mouthpiece would be screaming for cancellation?
Adam Davidson
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I went to HS with him. The funny thing is, he went to a mainly jewish HS outside of Boston (Newton). He was educated. Now, he was a moron in HS also. He walked around jump kicking Exit signs and vandalizing the school all the time. People don't really change.
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GO GET 'EM BOB!
Wayne Forte
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It's ALWAYS about the money Bob. Spotify has looked at the impact to their profits from de-platforming Rogan and decided that it's not a financial hit they are willing to take. And it's not at all surprising. It's what companies do. It's what online social media companies do.
Spotify does not care about its users or its artists. It only cares about how much profit the users and artists can bring them. That is what drives their decisions. That is how their owner investors require them to make decisions. So unless so many artists and users quit the platform that the financial impact of those departures is greater than the financial impact of Rogan's departure, Rogan will stay on Spotify.
Thanks for the awesome job you do Bob!!!
Fred Dewey
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Thanks for shining some light on Spotify for their failure to fire Joe Rogan, who deserves it. He spreads hatred and dangerous misinformation. And speaking a little selfishly as a fan, I want to be able to hear Joni Mitchell and Neil Young on Spotify again.
- Greg Dennis
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I know you're wary of recommendations from people you don't know personally so I'll keep this brief.
If you haven't read David Baddiel's superb "Jews Don't Count" it's really worth your time - a quick treatise on the subtleties of anti-semitism in the current age. Essential reading, especially for those of us on the left who thought we were across this problem, but probably are not. The tech bros at Spotify should each be sent a copy.
A taste of how he explains his theory - www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehVZtVsadwA
Best regards,
Nicholas Baker
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Bob,
Big column!
Kevin Breslin
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I have never given Spotify a nickle. With all the better streaming services out there, living as a consumer without Spotify is effortless. It's not like making a sacrifice to live connection to your family members without Facebook. The public could shut down Spotify and deplatform Rogan in a New York minute.
If it wanted to.
Could we? Please.
Carl Seibert
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I love Spotify. I despise racism and Joe Rogan is a giant racist. I used to enjoy listening to his podcast for innocuous speaker topics. But — no more. Joe Rogan I have gladly and angrily cut out of my life. No one in my home will be allowed to hear his trash.
How can a grown father and public influence set justice and the movement toward a kinder world so recklessly ??!
Joe— when you hear your children say unkind trash , remember - you taught them how to do that.
Edward Arguijo
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It is right why
@Lefsetz
is mad at
@Spotify
and its inaction against sh.t being said on its platform.
Om Malik
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