Hi, China Watchers. This week we check in with Australia’s new ambassador to the U.S., assess Chinese paramount leader Xi Jinping’s three-day Russia trip and parse the fine print on Xi’s new Global Civilization Initiative. And with one eye on Capitol Hill’s anti-TikTok push, we profile a book that warns of Beijing’s malign overseas reach through “intimidation, infiltration, influence operations and espionage.” Don’t forget — from next Tuesday March 28, China Watcher will be coming to you on a twice weekly (Tuesday & Thursday) schedule. I’m teaming up with my colleague Stuart Lau in Brussels to deliver to you a double-barrel blast of hot scoops, cool takes and deep dives essential to connecting the dots between D.C., Europe and Beijing. The wait is almost over — you’re going to start receiving China Watcher on Tuesdays and Thursdays at 5:30AM ET. But If you’d rather opt out of the new, improved twice-weekly China Watcher launching Tuesday March 28 — we’ll miss you! — you can update your newsletter preferences here. Let’s get to it. — Phelim Former Australian Prime Minister KEVIN RUDD started work this week in his new job: Australian ambassador to the United States. That puts a decades-long China scholar adjacent the key U.S. decision-making on China and Indo-Pacific policies. China Watcher spoke to Rudd last week as he closed out his tenure as president of the Asia Society and prior to taking up his diplomatic role about the state of relations between the U.S., Australia and China. Responses have been edited for length and clarity. You recently said that a new Asia Society initiative to jumpstart anti-cancer collaboration between the U.S. and China could be “the new ping pong diplomacy ... bringing some stabilizing and positive force for the bilateral relationship and beyond.” How might that work? U.S.-China ties are experiencing challenges right across the entire framework of the relationship. And it doesn’t matter whether we’re talking about geopolitics, economics, climate or human rights. We failed spectacularly to collaborate during the pandemic. But there is an ongoing and growing epidemic of cancer not just in the United States, but in China. In China, in any given year, we have something like three million cancer deaths and in the U.S. it’s about 600,000. People who are affected by cancer — the patients, their friends and loved ones — don’t care much about geopolitics when it comes to the question of early access to innovative cancer treatment drugs. So what we’ve been seeking to do is work with both regulators and researchers in China and the United States to get them to agree on arrangements which make it possible for drug trials with large patient groups in China and in the United States, so that we can get these innovative drugs from the laboratories into the marketplace rapidly. What does it say about U.S.-China relations that 50 years after the inauguration of ping pong diplomacy, we’re grasping for issues that could reignite engagement and cooperation? What it means is that whatever the current state of the political relationship was back then, we are now looking for similar people-to-people initiatives that have some potential of breaking back through into politics. I don’t underestimate the degree of difficulty here. Back in the seventies we reached into the bottom drawer and pulled out ping pong diplomacy. I suggest we reach into the middle drawer and pull out cancer research collaboration. President JOE BIDEN and Chinese paramount leader XI JINPING agreed in their meeting in Bali in November to try to ease bilateral tensions. What is it going to take to try to put the brakes on a relationship that has been tumbling to new lows ever since? The political will on the part of the two leaders was there. They reached that conclusion based on their own calculation of their own national interests that taking the strategic temperature down several notches was worthwhile. Since then, the problem we’ve run into is that we haven’t had sufficient political clear air in the relationship. In fact, we’ve run into a lot of clear air turbulence instead. So what it will take is several months of clear air again before hard heads both in Beijing and Washington want to get back to the business of stabilization and putting a floor under the relationship. What do you make of the fact that a defining element of the U.S.-Australia relationship for the next three decades will be the China-countering AUKUS nuclear submarines deal? The U.S. Australia relationship is broad, deep and its strategic and security dimensions go back years. So AUKUS is simply one aspect of it. It’s an important aspect of it, but in terms of the future evolution of the U.S.-Australia relationship, there are many dimensions to the relationship, both in the security domain, but also the broader foreign policy domain. Not to mention the enormous economic engagement between the two countries and the fact we share deep, underlying values. So AUKUS is one important part of the relationship, but it’s not the totality. In a recent interview with CNN you warned that “we’re living in really dangerous times.” How dangerous? The challenge that we all face is to reduce the risk of crisis, conflict and war by accident. And that’s why leaders in both China and the United States have been speaking about the need to stabilize and to manage this competitive relationship. Because managing it at that level is important if you’re going to reduce the risk of accidental escalation. And in the absence of that, the issues at stake become increasingly dangerous.
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