JUST ANOTHER MANDATE MONDAY — Yesterday felt like a tipping point for vaccine mandates — a contentious idea that employers across the U.S., including the federal government, are warming up to as Covid patients once again fill up hospital beds. More than 60 medical organizations, including the American Nurses Association and the American Medical Association, said vaccine mandates for all health care workers are an "ethical" obligation. Nightly's Myah Ward talked with ANA President Ernest Grant about his organization's decision to sign on to the joint statement, why he felt now was the right time for it and how these moves may influence hospitals across the country to require vaccinations. This conversation has been edited. This is a large group of people in agreement on a controversial topic. Did it take a lot of debate to get here? ANA changed our position statement on vaccines a couple of weeks before this. But this was relatively quick. The request came in, I believe, last Thursday, and within a couple of days, all the other organizations had signed on. From our perspective, it was an easy decision. It felt like yesterday was mandate day. We had New York and California issuing requirements, and the first federal agency, the Department of Veterans Affairs, said they would require health care workers to get shots. Why now? We had no idea that New York and California would be issuing their statement, and we definitely did not have any idea that the VA system would issue that statement as well. Even though it was not a concerted effort, I think the fact it was like boom boom boom boom boom, hopefully the public and health care workers will begin to sit up and take notice: "Hey, they really mean that. We need to get control of this virus." Some people argue that it's too soon to mandate a vaccine that doesn't have full FDA approval. What would you say to that? There is evidence that the vaccines are effective. There's been more than 300 million doses of the vaccine given in the U.S. with a relatively small amount of side effects. And of course, if more and more people are not vaccinated, that's going to allow for more mutations of the virus. And the potential that the vaccines that are out there may become ineffective altogether. And so we're going to be right back where we were at the beginning of 2020. Any idea when we may see full approval? If I were to speculate, I would say probably before the end of the year. One of the things you have to think about is the hesitancy that individuals might have if there were a rush to approve the vaccines. And then the story would be, "Well, you know, they didn't study it long enough before it was approved." We were experiencing a nursing shortage before and during the pandemic. Do you worry mandates will exacerbate this? We estimate probably about 83 percent of nurses have been vaccinated, which is really good, but we'd like to see that number higher. This is based on some surveys that we have done. My big concern is that I hear from nurses every day that they are tired. They're exhausted. Just when they thought they were going to get the chance to catch their breath, the hospitals are filling up again, and filling up needlessly because we know that if people were to get vaccinated, we could tamp down this virus. Until that happens, it's going to be very challenging for the nurses, and some of them are choosing or may choose, "I can't take this. I need to either step away from the bedside or do something else in nursing."
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